From the Mind of Splittfinger » Scriptures make us violent?

Scriptures make us violent?

This is the biggest load of crap i have ever heard, and it comes from one of those really smart BYU professors.

Enter BYU professor Robert Ridge.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660199036,00.html

Notice the "test" they used to determin aggression.  Once you stop laughing at it, comment here:

Posted Feb 27 2007, 12:55 PM by Splittfinger

Comments

Desechado wrote re: Scriptures make us violent?
on 02-27-2007 1:40 PM
Where do we go to find the "test"?
Splittfinger wrote re: Scriptures make us violent?
on 02-27-2007 2:00 PM
sorry, i just edited the post, so it has the link.  Thanks. Here is the link as well.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660199036,00.html
Desechado wrote re: Scriptures make us violent?
on 02-27-2007 2:55 PM
This is interresting to me. The test proved "aggression" not "violence". It is true that you need some sort of aggression to make violence, but some people would also call aggression "iniciative".
During the Vietnam war, about 18% of all soldiers that went to Vietnam were from the Mormon Intermountain West Region (Utah, Arizona, Idaho, Etc). When looking at the population of each region or even state during that time, this region sent more soldiers per capita to the war than any other. Most of those were volunteers.
I agree that the Bible and Book Of Mormon have some very violent stories in them. I also agree that somebody who reads these books to learn the "Word" generally will not take them out of context. Therefore, it may have some validity to it, but I really don't think so. Splitt may be right about the "load of crap" part.
RichCorbs wrote re: Scriptures make us violent?
on 02-27-2007 3:07 PM
The study in at least one way seems to be misrepresented in the article..."The study indicated that those with a stronger religious background responded with slightly more hostility — and louder blasts — than those who were not as religious."

In the article, I fail to see any relationship described between reading the scriptures/passages as described and violence.

I believe that repeated exposure to violence can lead to aggression and violence.  If that's all the study is saying then I don't think it is that far out there.

But I do agree that a buzzing contest is pretty funny.

My $0.02....You get what you pay for...

Elmulatto wrote re: Scriptures make us violent?
on 02-27-2007 3:50 PM
I believe that scripture can be stirring and moving in an emotional sense.  And once so stirred, one could be filled with the "Intiative" Desechado spoke of.  I think that the effect of the stories in the scriptures would be the same even without the violence.  I woudl be interested in what the results of this test would be if they took passages from the New Testimate, which contained no violence, but are nevertheless stirring.  And that passionate drive, of those so stired, could be construed as Aggressive.  But is that a bad thing?  I dont think there is anything wrong with people having a strong emotional, psychological response to something.
Desechado wrote re: Scriptures make us violent?
on 02-27-2007 4:03 PM
Elmu has a point. However, life according to the left means that anybody that has an upperhand (such as more initiative or drive) is not being fair to others. The more I think about this article, the more it stinks of the left and things need to be fair across the board for all.
I like his statement about the New Testament. What would happen? According to this study, the aggression would spike when Christ is crusified or when Paul is bitten by the fire serpent.
Elmulatto wrote re: Scriptures make us violent?
on 02-27-2007 4:04 PM
I imagine that they would again find that - The more religous the subject, the greater the response.
Splittfinger wrote re: Scriptures make us violent?
on 02-27-2007 4:07 PM
He's a test: (I know it isn't as fun as buzzing people)

Take a cross section of the population that read scriptures daily, and the same from a group that doesn't or has never read any scripture.  Follow there lives and document aggressive/ self destructive behavior.  See what you find.

For a really good time, do one with Christian scripture, Jewish scripture, and the Koran.  Compare.
Elmulatto wrote re: Scriptures make us violent?
on 02-27-2007 4:14 PM
For a really good time!  Haha!
Desechado wrote re: Scriptures make us violent?
on 02-27-2007 4:23 PM
Good point Splitt. Seems to me that these "Scientists" are looking in the wrong direction to find out where aggressive/self destructive behavior comes from. As for me, I will keep reading the scriptures. WWJD? or for that matter, what would President Hinckley counsel us to do?
Another thing... when I feel the most "aggressive" is after watching a good martial art movie or something similar like Bravehart.
Desechado wrote re: Scriptures make us violent?
on 02-27-2007 4:33 PM
About 175 years ago, some men used whiskey to spur others into a violet rampage in Independence Missouri. About 70 years ago Hitler used "your a victim" to initiate his rein of violence and terror. About 6 years ago, a couple thousand died in New York, Pennsylvania and Washington DC because some where told they would live in heaven with Alah and each have 70 virgins. I think the 70 virgins was the selling point.
chefinfidel wrote re: Scriptures make us violent?
on 02-28-2007 4:49 PM
I remember my wrestling coach taking us to see Rocky 3 so that we could rustle up some aggression and violence against our opponents. Guess what? It worked! For some reason Mr. Bodily didn't have us get together and read violent scripture passages.  Maybe we should have tried the Koran. Of course, there are no points for blowing up the crowd in freestyle wrestling.
Splittfinger wrote re: Scriptures make us violent?
on 03-01-2007 11:02 AM
Maybe you just solved the mystery as to why Iran, every 4 years at the olympics, is the top contender for Gold in freestyle wrestling. (no joke)
Desechado wrote re: Scriptures make us violent?
on 03-01-2007 11:32 AM
Or... maybe Rulon Gardner read the account of how Nephi cut off Laban's head while getting ready to beat the Russian Bear in the Olympics.
Splittfinger wrote re: Scriptures make us violent?
on 03-01-2007 12:05 PM
I think it was headless *** lifting up, gasping for air, and dying.  Sweeeet.
Goosedyou wrote re: Scriptures make us violent?
on 03-01-2007 1:14 PM
What, you can't say *** on your blog?
Desechado wrote re: Scriptures make us violent?
on 03-01-2007 2:34 PM
Splitt said *** because he just finished reading the account of how the Camp of Israel destroyed Jericho and now he is feeling a bit aggressive.
Splittfinger wrote re: Scriptures make us violent?
on 03-01-2007 2:35 PM
I'm going to fix that.  I think *** should be allowed to say...
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